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Frequently Asked Questions
Will the remaining segment of 166 Avenue NE (south of NE 100 Street to NE 85 Street) be reconfigured from 4 lanes to 3?
City staff plans to hold a public meeting in early 2009 to discuss a proposal that would complete the 4 to 3 lane reconfiguration on the 166 Avenue NE corridor.

The public meeting held on February 7 focused only on plans for the new traffic signal on 166 Avenue NE at NE 104 Street, and on getting feedback on a proposed reconfiguration on 166 Avenue NE along the front of the school property that would be done with the traffic signal construction.  As a result of the public meeting, Education Hill residents favored a 4 to 3 lane reconfiguration on 166 Avenue NE along the school frontage, but were doubtful about the need for bike lanes on the steeper grade of 166 Avenue NE.  Residents also expressed concern about getting stuck behind buses and other slower-moving vehicles if the remaining segment of 166 Avenue NE were to be reconfigured from 4 lanes to 3.  When the results of this public meeting were brought before Council, Transportation Services staff was directed to move forward with the traffic signal and with the conversion in front of Redmond Junior High, and prepare for a public meeting to discuss the remaining conversion once the traffic signal was in operation.  That meeting will likely be held sometime in January.

Why is the City installing a traffic signal at this intersection?
Pedestrian safety is a concern at 166 Avenue NE and NE 104 Street.  Many young pedestrians navigate this intersection on their way to and from Redmond Junior High, Norman Rockwell, Horace Mann, and Redmond High School.  Changing the existing 4-way stop to a fully-signalized intersection will eliminate confusion for drivers and pedestrians as to who has the right-of-way.

Why is this project happening just as the new school year is starting?  Wouldn't it have been better to construct the signal over the summer?
Yes, it would have been better to construct the signal when school was not in session.  However, there are a couple of reasons for this schedule:

  • A 4 to 3 lane conversion on 166 Avenue NE along the front of Redmond Junior High was recommended during the design phase of this traffic signal project.  Four to 3 lane conversions can be controversial.  While a few downtown streets already have been successfully reduced from 4 to 3 lanes, the City wanted to hear from Education Hill residents about reconfiguring this central collector arterial.  It was important to conduct an extensive public process, which delayed the start of the project.
  • The traffic signal is funded by a Federal Safe Routes to School grant.  Completing the project by the end of this calendar year was a requirement when the City was awarded the funds.

What is the schedule for the construction and other activities related to the 166 Avenue NE Corridor Improvements?

Timeframe Milestone
February 2005   166 Avenue NE Corridor Study completed
November 2005   City Council adopts the Transportation Master Plan
October 2006   Transportation Services applies for Safe Routes to School grant in the amount of $350,000 to fund construction of a traffic signal at the intersection of 166 Avenue NE and NE 104 Street
December 2006   Safe Routes to School grant request for traffic signal construction is listed seventh on a prioritized list of 101 project requests from around the State to make improvements around schools
April to June 2007   1) City Council reviews and is asked to approve the Education Hill Neighborhood Plan
2) Safe Routes to School grant is approved by the State legislature
July 2007   Safe Routes to School grant funds are formally accepted by the City Council
December 2007   Traffic signal and corridor preliminary design
February 7, 2008   Public meeting at Redmond Junior High
February 14, 2008   Community comments on proposals to reconfigure 166 Avenue NE in front of Redmond Junior High, and to continue conversion south to NE 85 Street, are due in Transportation Services at City Hall by 5 PM
Summer 2008   Construction
November 2008   Traffic signal in operation
January 2009   Tentative month for public meeting #2

How is it possible that reducing 166 Avenue NE from 4 lanes to 3 will improve how that road functions?
Four lane roads frequently generate excessive speeds, are difficult to cross and to merge onto, and are not pedestrian or bicycle supportive.  Last minute lane changes to get around vehicles waiting to turn left often result in collisions and failure to see pedestrians.  Inside lanes are frequently occupied by drivers wanting to turn left.  This causes delay to those who must wait for those left-turning vehicles to make their turns before they can proceed through.  A 3-lane street with a left-turn lane that removes left-turning vehicles from the flow of through traffic accommodates about the same number of vehicles as a 4-lane street.  Travel times on converted roadways do not change significantly and sometimes improve when there is a center lane dedicated exclusively for left turns.

A full explanation of how the 4 to 3 lane conversion can improve operations on 166 Avenue NE can be found by reading Road Diet for 166 Avenue NE.  For general information about 4 to 3 lane conversions, see www.walkablestreets.com/diet.htm.  You can also download a comprehensive report on roadway diets co-written by Dan Burden and Peter Lagerwey.

Previous to the 4 to 3 lane conversion on 166 Avenue NE between Redmond Way and NE 85 Street in 2004, some residents were adamant that eliminating a lane would result in severe traffic congestion.  How have things worked out?
Very well.  Shortly after the conversion, many residents commented that despite their initial skepticism, they found things to be working quite well.  An August 2004 report to the City Council included a safety and performance review of 166 Avenue NE between NE 85 Street and Redmond Way.

Are there examples of successful 4 to 3 lane conversions in other locations?
Yes.  Four other downtown Redmond streets have successfully been converted:

  • NE 87 Street between 161 and 164 Avenue NE (from 4 lanes to 2 with on-street parking)
  • 161 Avenue NE between Redmond Way and NE 85 Street
  • 166 Avenue NE between Redmond Way and NE 85 Street
  •  NE 85 Street between 154 and 166 Avenue NE

Check the list of roadways in Seattle for examples of successful conversions.

 

This page was last updated on September 9, 2008.

 

 

 

This page was last updated on September 9, 2008.